Dingo,
It's a matter of the security of our country, it's a matter of saving the lives of our CITIZENS. Every non-citizen should be identified by the government, should be required to carry an ID at all times and the government should have an unrestrained ability to protect our lives. Did 9/11 teach you nothing?
Whymrhymer
(http://whymrhymer101.blogspot.com)
No. You are quite wrong. It is not about the security of our country. It is caving into fear. It is about giving up our freedom. It is about letting the terrorist win. It is about trampling on the Bill of Rights. It is about disrespecting every person who has ever died in defense of our nation. It is about forgetting our foundations and who we are. Why would you want to live in a police state where Freedom of Religion is no longer respected?
Don't you think that the government could protect us more if we got rid of the 4th and 5th amendments? But we don't dump them because we like our freedom more than the false sense of security getting rid of them would bring.
As Ben Franklin said:
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Most Muslims in America are Americans, not foreigners. There are many, many Muslim Americans and you are willing to trample on their American born rights - the same rights you and I have. The Muslims who pray in mosques on American soil deserve the same respect as every Christian church. Timothy McVey was a Christian. Does that justify the FBI infiltrating our places of worship? No. KKK members are so called Christians. Does that justify the FBI infiltrating our places of worship? No. Yet these people feel their actions were condoned by God. Why are our troops overseas fighting and dying for out freedoms when you are willing to give them away?
I am sorry, but you are wrong.
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and after all, timothy mcveigh is an american citizen. i imagine john walker lindh was as well, at some point.
inkheart
Good for you; we must all fight the fight.
Thanks for the comments. Thats my point exactly. We can't start giving up other's freedoms because then we have to take away everyones. We will never reach the "safety nivana," that these people somehow think we can achieve.
Dingo:
Yes!!!!!! That "false sense of security" is the same false sense of security that has been sold under so many dictatorships - and let's look at the death toll they have inflicted.
Citizens in this country can never be wholly safe from attack. To make ourselves so we would have to kill off the rest of the world. We can discuss what measures would make us more secure, but we shouldn't forget the examples of history. Absolutist systems (whether moral utopias, security utopias, economic utopias, etc) have had very short average life spans.
And good for you for maintaining that most Muslims in the US are just Americans. This is so obviously true (otherwise the streets would be awash in blood - right?), yet so seldom said. You are a true American.
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